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angrichild · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:46 pm

So she got killed, did she? That is sad. But in the second panel, at the bottom, Raven is like all " aahhhhh! They turn me on!" I dont get it.

Even if this is a Raven arc, I heard from this guy in a chatroom that the first part of the end was a Robin? episode? And the second one is a Starfire Episode? Then the last one was about Raven. Wtf? I asked him for official proof, but he didnt show any (I was getting REALLY suspisious) but he kept insisting that it was from "official" sources. Anyhoo, by now I know that idea is way too crazy to happen. But then theres this little thing in the back of my head that keeps bugging me this might be true. It's crazy what the word "official" can do to your head...

ShadowofChaos · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:00 pm

Ham in an Envelope · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:04 pm

Robin would sort of make sense given that Slade is a major villain this arc, but I really don't see the focus being moved from Raven to him. If anything, he'll play the secondary main character, sort of like Beast Boy in the Terra storyline and Starfire in the Apprentice episodes. But I have no idea why Starfire would be the focus of one of the episodes when she really has no ties to any of the villains or the major storyline, other than being a part of the Titans and wanting to save Raven and the city and that stuff.

angrichild · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:14 pm

Well exactly. I cant see how Robin and Starfire could hog 2 whole episodes to themselves in the end. But what really got me was that the guy said something about Starfire leaving earth. I thought he was refferring to how Raven planted a seed in her and then she left for tamaran (in the comics).

Windspark · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:16 pm

That can't be right. It has been said that it is about Raven. But we wouldn't know until then. That's what I hate when a person says it's official, when it is probably not. Yes, the word 'official' does kinda mess with your mind Smile

Unbridled Joy of Flight · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:16 pm

There will be over 60 minutes of story in 'The End'. There's a lot of room there to cover a lot of stuff. In 'Prophesy', Starfire makes it clear Trigon's rep spreads throughout known space. It is not too much a stretch, especially given Starfire's ability to leave Earth unaided (TWOQ, Transformation, Sisters), to think she might end up off-planet at some point.

And although this IS a Raven arc, other characters have always played parts in previous arcs. And we've never had so much time to play with before. Just because other characters play a big part at times doesn't mean the story won't continue to revolve around Raven. Never fear, rabid Raven fans, I am confident your insatiable hunger will not be left unsatisfied...

Undr · Jump City Citizen **Joined**: 28 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 1,039

Ok, looking at the comic that RavenStar has posted, I was wondering...

The Titans turned evil, but in the commercial we see Cyborg fighting as evil version of himself. could this be him fighting it in his mind? if not then I wonder where they are going to take this finale.

(btw: I don't see Cyborg giving losing if this is him fighting himself in his mind. He has been shown to be the teammate that his undying willpower and endurance.

Oh, and thanks RavenStar.

Sphere · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:18 pm

Undr · Jump City Citizen **Joined**: 28 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 1,039

Oh, ok. sigh I need to go out and buy the comics... (I'm poor and lazy though.)

remix177 · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:27 pm

He's trying to speak to me, I know it!

Very Happy

RavenStar · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:40 pm

there's a single collection of just the "Terror of Trigon" story you can pick up for like 12 bucks, I think.

EDIT: 15 bucks, actually.

gogoedward · Jump City Citizen **Joined**: 17 Mar 2005 **Posts**: 336

Ok here's my idea for The End after going over the Trigon comics arc and speculating over the show.

Maybe Part One will start normally with Star trying to talk to Raven who lashes out at her which begins her giving into Trigon's control. Raven explains that she is beginning to feel her angry side coming back and this time it might not go away. Then the rest of the episode involves them fighting Slade and finally understanding everythign that is going on. Then at the end maybe Trigon finally comes to being and he attacks the Titans, using Raven to finish them off. But they aren't dead yet cus Raven's good side spared them, sort of.

Part Two might involve the Titans having to face their evil selves and their worst fears before they can deal with Raven and Trigon (They didn't die they just ended up in a dark kidna shadowy place). Then eventually they get out but Raven has gone evil and they're sad about it. Slade is still around and explains that Raven needs to die to defeat Trigon. Then Raven fights her evil side in her head, (hot Raven on Raven action!) her good self trying to take back control. In the end Good Raven loses and it ends up that there is NO Raven left at all, cus she died trying to deal with herself. (I can't imagine them having the Titans take her down because that'd be too dark for the show)

Part Three, Raven is gone and the Titans do some fighting, and Trigon does some fighting. The Titans are uber pissed at both Slade and Trigon for what happened to Raven and this leads to a huge epic battle scene in which the Titans try their best to take down Trigon once and for all. Eventually when all seems totally hopeless the Titans are slowly falling one by one. Robin who is the last to fall begins to black out when he calls out to Raven and in a big dramatic tear-jerky moment she returns in her white cloak to save the day!

Just my ideas of what might happen based on the comics and how the show works. I don't think the Titans would kill Raven in the show, or anyone for that matter, so that's why I figure she might die by other means, that is assuming she dies at all. Again, this is all just my crazy theories

T.C.F. · Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 11:26 pm

Or maybe, knowing Teen Titans is a kids show after all, Raven will pull a Terra.

Undr · Jump City Citizen **Joined**: 28 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 1,039

Have a hard time believing that they'd kill off the one of the most popular, if not the most popular character in the show.

Butho · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:38 am

angrichild · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:47 am

So would they have a new character named lilith added to the show? Oh I dunno. Or maybe someone who tries to get Raven killed. Where did Slade fit in with the comics, though? I really dont get that.

That Ever loquacious fan · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:35 am

RavenStar · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 10:01 am

I'd post scans of the whole thing, but I'm not going to.
1) It's a sh!tload of scans.
2) The comic story deserves to be bought and read.
3) "The End" will be much different from it, as already seen from the commercials.
4) Sometimes I just enjoy seeing people squirm in anticipation (hey, I'm a writer myself, it comes with the territory).

Fledgling · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 12:30 pm

RavenStar · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 12:50 pm

Lilith will not be in "The End." David Slack said so himself.

RavenFlyingSolo · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:26 pm

I agree with more or less everything Fledgling said. My theory on Arella is that, foremost, she will appear at least once in "The End." As far as her having powers at all, I'm not sure. On one hand, I have read the comics, and from them I know that Raven's powers come from Trigon, and Arella was mortal. But again, the comics don't always correspond to the show. However, in this case I can't personally imagine it being that different. On the other hand, Arella didn't look very human, what with purple hair and wandering around on Azarath. I think if Arella has any powers at all, it will be, as Fledging said, as a type of mystic, and to step in to do her duty--whatever that may be--at the time of the prophecy's fulfilling.

However, if I recall correctly, no one's really sure whether or not Raven's vision on Azarath was real or not, considering the blistering double eyes of Trigon show up and start having a good laugh as all things begin to burn. As it goes, I think the show's creators have done a wonderful job of not letting us have much of anything concrete to work with as far as Arella and Azarath are concerned.

My theory on Raven's sudden spurt of hair growth would not be a passing of time. I don't know, I can't imagine them doing a time passage of two years and being like, "Well, Slade said we'd see Trigon soon, but soon in interdimensional time is a couple years later." It doesn't sit well with me, and I feel like the characters would have to be edited according to their new ages. All of them. It'd be...a different dynamic, I guess. Can't imagine it. Imagine if Beast Boy had to like...mature or something (big heart BB!) So I think Raven's long hair is going to be more of a symbol of what she's become.

In "Switched" Raven tells Starfire she hates long hair. It's a stretch, but how does that connect to Raven turning evil? She's going to hate what she's become. Why not everything about it, hair included? I think it'll be very much like Slade grabbing her and setting it off, except this time it will be her anger that takes control, and as her eyes glow red and she grows fangs a la "Nevermore," she'll show the marks of Skath and grow out her hair. A complete transformation from the Raven we knew. I think it would rock even more if Evil! Raven's cloak turned red.

That's my crazy theories! The More You Know

angrichild · Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:46 pm

^ I think raven might get kicked out, or leave the titans for a while. (Like in the comics?) The titans kicked her out because they didnt trust her. Yeah something like that. So maybe while she was kicked out she got captured by slade. Oh I dunno.